There is grandeur in this view of life

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - You have provided no evidence for your outrageous position.Nothing.Nada.Zip.Nothing but your claim, against all evidence and all knowledge, that this can be done.You are a liar. Or a troll. Or an idiot.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - Thanks for the info marsoft4647, I for one will be reading more on this subject.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - You're right about all those things. And yet all those facts do not add up to one US state being able to feed the world.BTW, there is a lot of land which is unsuitable for crops but which can be used to pasture sheep. So some of your efficiencies are unattainable.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - You've explained your methodology. Now give us your figures.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - You are the one making the claims, so show your figures (and cite references to back them).Here's a hint. I live in a rural area. I see many fields on my seven-mile journey to work. All of them are devoted to agriculture. You could erase the town I live in and gain a fraction of a percent of agricultural land.You could improve yield by close to a factor of ten in developed countries by eliminating meat, but most of the world is vegetarian (or nearly so) anyway.Show your figures.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - bdf2718 - this is your last warning. Stop with the personal attacks or I'll have to block you. marsoft4647 has not personally attacked you, he has backed up his claims with links, and has been pretty civil about it too. If you can't manage the same, I'll be forced to end this otherwise interesting debate.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 12, 2009 - What?Personal attack? Did I call him a lying fucking cunt this time? No, I asked for evidence, and I did so with civility in deference to your wishes.He's supplied links? Not in any reply to me, although I have requested them repeatedly. Perhaps he has supplied them to you or in response to others, but I don't spend my life scanning comments on this video.If you want to block me, then block me.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - 10 hours ago you called him a liar, troll or idiot. - personal attack.If you read his comments he has in fact provided sources, e.g. the Lisa Cliggett paper.I don't want to block anyone, I just won't stand for continued personal attacks or demands that have already been met.Where are your sources, by the way? I don't believe you've cited any yet (apologies if I've missed them) and I'd be interested to see your side of it.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - Whoops, you're right, I forgot about calling him a liar, troll or idiot.He (or she) has never responded to my requests for sources. A quick google of Cliggett throws up the failures in Zambia (which we all know of anyway).You want sources for common knowledge???? That's made of fail. Common knowledge may indeed be wrong, but to overthrow it you need evidence and logic.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - You know what? Not ONCE, in ANY of your responses to me, have you cited sources. Maybe to others, but I don't spend my life reading this channel. Hell, you might even have quoted sources to me and youtube ate them (I've seen it happen).So here's your chance. Prove me wrong. Cite your sources.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - You claim to have cited sources here, Atheistbrit says that you have, so I believe you. But not once, ever, have you responded to me with a source. The way youtube works means that unless you respond to me I am unlikely to see it.So give me your sources. In response to me.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - You have NEVER cited your sources in response to me, You have claimed that you have cited sources elsewhere (and there is enough evidence that I believe you have), but you have NEVER cited your sources in response to me.How easy is it? You can claim to have cited sources elsewhere or you could cite them. Prove me wrong. Cite your sources in response to this. Don't tell me you've done it elsewhere, just fucking do it.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - Why should he repeat himself? They weren't in reply to me either but I still saw them. It's just a matter of scrolling down.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - You see everything, I believe, posted to your channel because it's your channel. But maybe youtube isn't that helpful and you only see these things because you are protective about your own channel.This is not my channel. It is one of MANY channels I subscribe to. I do not scroll through ever channel I have commented on (jeebus fucking christ on a fucking stick), I respond to comments. NEVER has this guy cited his sources to me, despite repeated requests.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - I don't watch this channel's comments all the time. Nor is scrolling down as simple as you claim when there are thousands of comments,Here's how it goes. I think you are talking shit and say so. You respond quoting your sources. I am suitably humbled and apologise.Oh wait, that's not how it went. I claim you are talking shit and you do nothing to refute it. You have, apparently, posted refutations elsewhere. POST ONE HERE.

bdf2718 Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - Only 107 posts I have to read through to find the one thing you REFUSE to post where I can find it easily.How hard is it to include that link when you respond to me?I must conclude that you do not want to make it easy for me to find this because if I did I would prove you wrong.Prove me wrong. Reply to this with a link to your proof.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - I don't see everything that's posted to my channel via a private alert, I had to do what you would have to do and simply scroll down to find it. Everyone else can see it, so I can only conclude that this is your inability or refusal to do so yourself.This is getting tiresome and ridiculous.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - "I claim you are talking shit and you do nothing to refute it." - last straw, bdf2718. I'm sorry to have to do this, but you're simply making stuff up now. He's done plenty to refute it, yet you have not backed up your own claims (which are not "common knowledge", simply type "do we have enough food to feed the world" into Google and the World Hunger website clearly states that YES, we do).

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 13, 2009 - I'm forced to conclude that you're now merely trolling, repeatedly asking for information which has already been provided and refusing to back up your own flimsy statements with any kind of sources.Sorry, but I'm going to have to block you as this has now got way out of hand.

gazing Says:

Dec 21, 2009 - Excellent argument, beautifully put. Thank you.David Haines

dominictemple Says:

Dec 26, 2009 - Just discovered your account.Very nice video, reminds me of something I think Douglas Adams once said, "I'd rather be an ascendant ape than a fallen angel."Couldn't agree with you or him more. Keep up the good work.

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 28, 2009 - Very kind, thanks so much. :)

AtheistBrit Says:

Dec 28, 2009 - You're too kind. :)

grindstonejournal Says:

Feb 4, 2010 - This is really very good.

AtheistBrit Says:

Feb 4, 2010 - Thank you for the kind comment :)