Taylor Mali - "What Teachers Make"

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 9, 2011 - teachers are good, but public school teachers are robots. we all know this

spacewolf5462 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @Hairychimz42, except we don't. I had great teachers growing up. Yes some weren't great, but I left school prepared for college and with an ability to critically think. I think statements like yours, insult a whole group of teachers based on the FEW that may not have treated you properly. So no public school teachers are not robots.

chocolatmood Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - He makes me proud to be a teacher :)

Evenflowist314 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - Man if this guy was my prof maybe I would have still minored in education

2100056 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - Damn, I wish I had a teacher like that.

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 if you truly knew anything about the american educational system and how its set up you'd understand my comment. sure i've had plenty of great teachers, that doesn't mean they weren't being controlled by district supervisors into teaching next to useless curriculum. if you doubt my comment research american literacy rates starting from 1922 when public education reform hit the fan. it has nothing to do with how they've treated me in the past it has to do with what they're

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 actually permitted to teach us.. thats why high schoolers from foreign countries (russia, china) who come to study in america and are surprised to find that our upper level math classes are the same math classes they took in middle school. think about everything i've said before you respond back.

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 and i grew up in the inner city where most of our text books were outdated and the teachers had little to do with actually teaching and had more to do with commanding our every action, so the possibility of being prepared for a 4 year college was very slim. teaching in not a bad thing, teaching with an agenda is. thats exactly what american public schooling is, an agenda.

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 before you try to refute what i've just said i want you to research what the Rockefeller General Education board stated regarding public school teaching and what its goals are. the document im quoting is titled "Occasional letter Number 1" and it was written by special interest groups and financiers in 1906, whom by the way heavily subsidized university chairs and public education administrators. "we shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers....

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 or men of learning or men of science. we have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets, or men of letters. we shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, or statesmen. the task we set before ourselves is simple. we will organize children, and teach them to do in a perfect way what they're fathers and mothers did in an imperfect way".. william torrey harris played a vital role in early reform as...

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 the US commissioner of education form 1889 to 1906, this was part of the goal.. from here on out literacy rates went down and so did the american spirit. i don't mean to be argumentative i just want you to know why i see things the way i see them. from both personal experience and plenty of research.

spacewolf5462 Says:

Aug 12, 2011 - @Hairychimz42, I'm not going to go into refuting something that was said over 100 years ago. It's not relevant to our time. I have friends and parents who are teachers, and in the future I'm getting my masters to be a teacher. So I can say from personal experience, that there isn't a conspiracy here. Do they regulate what's taught, and do we need to improve the way we teach? of course. I'm sorry you grew up in a shitty school district, but most teachers do try to prep kids for college.

TheOriginalRevolt Says:

Aug 12, 2011 - @chocolatmood - me too :)

Szedg Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @Hairychimz42 Take a look at what was said in context. Children were taught by their parents if they couldn't afford school, which is fine if all they did was work on the farm. But, as the industrial revolution increased the need for people who could work on an assembly line, certainly the education system did not need to churn out doctors, musicians, lawyers, and philosophers. You needed people with basic skills who could follow directions and work on the freakin' assembly line.

Szedg Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @Hairychimz42 And as such, it's worth noting that educational philosophy changes. Industry demands drive changes in public school pedagogy. Industry is no longer asking for assembly-line workers, but workers who can work collaboratively and possess higher levels of thought than simply following directions. Unfortunately, the public education system WAS developed under the assembly-line philosophies of the day, and many teachers ARE set in their ways. But, look at what IS, not just what WAS.

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @Szedg i should've kept on quoting the paper, you'll just have to read it yourself because what i quoted was said in the exact context that i was using it in. you make a good point nonetheless, industrialists def. wanted to churn out factory workers, but there was a greater agenda outside of the one you mentioned.

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @Szedg and the industries of today still need a base of workers willing and "dumb enough" to do the work. take a look at the average corporate ladder, ceos on top, workers on the bottom. looking at the ladder you can clearly see that there sure as hell aren't as many ceos as workers. sure its true that american industry is getting smarter, but thats not necessarily a good thing for the average wal-mart door greeter. they still need assembly line workers, its just a different time period now.

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 i would go as far to say that it is directly related to our educational system today. my grandmother actually has her masters in teaching and she is the one who is showing me these papers written by the founders of compulsory education. let me keep quoting directly from the commissioner of education so you can decide if this is truly a conspiracy. "the tool to build such a society (the one we live in now, 2011) is psychological alienation. To alienate children children from...

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 themselves so they no longer can turn inward for strength, to alienate them from families, traditions, religions, cultures - so that no outside source of advice can contradict the will of the political state. ninety nine students out of a hundred are automata, careful to walk in prescribed paths, careful to follow the prescribed custom. this is not an accident, but a result of substantial education which, scientifically defined, is the subsumption of the individual" now think...

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 ...about it. this is a direct quote from john gatto who was named the new york state teacher of the year in 1990, this should help put it in todays perspective. "consider that such social order (previous quote) cannot produce very much satisfying work. as this social order matures, so many dissatisfied people are its byproduct that daily life is rocked by instability (scary true). but if you can be persuaded to blame yourself rather than a group of villains for your miserable lot

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 then the dangerous gas goes out of the social balloon. when you flip hamburgers, sit at a computer all day, unpack and pack merchandise from china year after year, you manage the tedium better if you have a shallow inner life, one you can escape through booze, drugs, sex, media, or other low level addictive behaviors. easier to keep yourself sane if your inner life is shallow. school, thought harris, should prepare ordinary men and women for a lifetime of alienation."

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 after reading the quote form harris, which was said over a hundred years ago, i think you can clearly relate that to todays society. this was not an accident, it is a conspiracy. old people have it right when they point out how disgraceful my generation is. all you have to do to see where im coming form is open your eyes to mainstream world, the one we buy into. "it is natural businessmen should seek to influence the enactment and administration of laws and that they should try

Hairychimz42 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @spacewolf5462 and control education"

ShadesterMando Says:

Aug 16, 2011 - @Hairychimz42 Agree with the other person. I had teachers in public school were great, many of my high school teachers were lovely. Also, My 5th grade teacher was the first person to tell me I could be a writer, all I had to do was start writing and I did. Now at 21 and a college senior, I'm working on completing my first novel series and am an intern for a magazine. So don't you dare judge or insult all public school teachers, she changed my life.

1JesusFreakz Says:

Aug 16, 2011 - 64 people dont know good poetry, and are envious that they arent as talented as Taylor Mali