MacArthur on the Purpose Driven Life

robvello Says:

Nov 14, 2008 - It is a dangerous approach.False teachers were using methods and flattery to make people believe in their gospel (2 Cor 4:2-3, Eph 4:14, 2 Pet 2).Without accusing Warren of anything,I must say that without a clear message, no salvation is clearly accessible. In the NT times, people were persecuted for their faith.I lead people to the Lord in Muslim country.Their lives are in danger. The parable of the soils (2nd and 3rd), and the tares among wheat are good examples of unbelievers among believers

takomaguy Says:

Nov 15, 2008 - Rupert Murdoch also owns FOX. If Warren is his pastor, then whatever "gospel" Warren preaches has no effect.

baumbe Says:

Nov 21, 2008 - dcrippen2000 - Warren, whether knowingly or not, is promoting a watered down gospel. Without repentance, there is no forgiveness of sins. Without forgiveness of sins, there is no salvation (Luke 13:3).

eziad85 Says:

Nov 28, 2008 - the problem with christians, is that they provide no proof whatsoever... they think people just like to not believe in God.. they forget that people are reasonable...They say jesus died for u, he did this and that, well do u have a proof?! Its all claims within claims. If a man from the street told u somebody died for u, and he is God, would u believe him??! or would u ask for proof? What if he tells u that u have to have faith and belive him?

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - Are you saying we shouldn't tell people of their sin and what to do about it?Whether you like MacArthur or not, he has a point. The point he made has no hate or discrimination, or self-uplifting in it.It seems to me that you have a problem with the John MacArthur you made up in your head.Once again I ask: should we not warn people of their sin?

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - Something many athiests don't consider is that Christians are reasonable people. Well, a decent amount of them.We've asked these questions. We've had our skepticisms and doubts. I think the difference is those who are now Christian pressed on to find those answers.Of course faith is involved. But following something blindly is something no one should do. Everyone should ask questions. But also, we should endure and find the answers. If one Christian doesn't have your answers, look elsewhere.

gtrjunky Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - I guess you've not listened to MacArthur very much. The dimension of his teaching far exceeds the man-centered sermons that lazy "pastors" can download from Rick Warren.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - Wow. Well I first of all really don't appreciate you telling me what kind of person I am. You don't know anything about me.And while Jesus did cover a lot of more things, I'm sure..well I hope we can agree that the Gospel is THE main message of the bible that we are to tell people and like it says in Luke from Jesus himself, "and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name."

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - That's a two sided thing. MacArthur's point is that too many people preach the latter side and the former is an essential part to the gospel. Without repentance, there can be no forgiveness. Each part is equally important.Don't you think people should know that? And MacArthur talks about much more things than sin..there are those people in the world that seem to love to tell people they are going to hell but he isn't one of them.Don't judge people by how you think they are please.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - The gospel message you speak of once again: repentance and forgivness of sins.I totally just explained how I came to my conclusion that Rick Warren's gospel doesnt match up.Tell me, which part of what I said doesn't make sense? Don't just point fingers and accuse. Explain to me your side or how what I'm saying isn't true.

gtrjunky Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - I "love" how Warren once again cowered away at the proclamation of the truth on Hannity & Colmbes the other night. When Alan asked him "what will happen if I don't believe?", Warren replies: "Give Jesus a 60 day trial".You've got to be kidding?!? Warren should be bound and gaged for that. He is a spineless coward!

tomfooleryprod Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - "He is a spineless coward!"Oh, but you are SO brave because you preach hell and damnation...Sad.

gtrjunky Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - He's a spineless coward because he doesn't have the guts to tell the truth. The calling of a true preacher of God is to speak the whole truth, not just the things that people like to hear.

gtrjunky Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - "Who say to the seers, "You must not see visions"; And to the prophets, "You must not prophesy to us what is right, Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.~ Isaaiah 30:10If Warren actually preached the way Jesus did, most of his congregation would cup their ears and flee.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - I understand that perfectly. What makes you think I said anything against transformation on earth?My point was sin should be preached just as well as new life.And you seem to agree with me on that from what I can tell..It seems like you're arguing against what you think I believe. Read my comments more carefully please.Unless you disagree with my main point, I don't see the need to go on arguing.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - Well my respect for MacArthur comes from the fact the he does what he does for the glory of God and not his own popularity. I can only listen to his teachings and perspectives because I know this. He really does not care about sales. If he did his books would reflect that of a self-centered gospel rather then a Christ centered one cus that's what people like to hear.I can confidently tell you your hunch is incorrect and tell you you can trust in MacArthur's words.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - I personally agree with what he is saying here and think that Warren presents a gospel that leans a bit too much on the latter part of the gospel.If you want to express your opinion about this more you can send me a message cus we're only cluttering the comment section and we have to condence our messages.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - I already explained where my respect for MacArthur comes from and I can clearly see how all of his teachings are completely biblical and GOD centered.Warren preaches what I call a watered-down gospel. It doesnt give people the whole 360 view of the cross and what it fully means which is essential.

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - If you think I'm just hating on Warren, trust me I'm not. I'm rightfully examining what he's saying and comparing them to what I know from my experience as a Christian. And during a point of my life I wanted to read the PDL and sure it's a..nice book I guess..but I think it strays away from the full effect of the cross. Please don't get me wrong.If you DON'T express an important part of the Gospel, it's not the full Gospel. Is it?Is it?

FSElement Says:

Dec 5, 2008 - And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember you answering any of the questions Ive asked you which would decide whether we should be on the same page or not as far as what's important in preaching.(for the record, I don't think MacArthur has any books about going to hell)

bororean Says:

Dec 6, 2008 - Rick Warren Quotes:I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.I have known many people who believe in the Messiah of Jesus, regardless of what religion they are, because they believe in him. It's about a relationship, not a religion.I thought, you know where people are moving in they probably need new houses of worships, temples, and synagogues, and churches, and stuff like that.The future of the world is Religious Pluralism.—Rick Warren

FSElement Says:

Dec 6, 2008 - I'm not 'picking a fight' because of how I 'feel' about him. That would be a total waste of time. I'm sorry that you happen to support someone who's ways of teaching, I don't agree with. And I never said I was pro 'fear of hell' in fact I didn't even make a comment on that. I've found out from my own person Chrisitan walk that only when one understands the state humans are in and understands why we NEED God (not just for blessings)

FSElement Says:

Dec 6, 2008 - then our relationship with God may grow so much more closer and to attempt to explain something like that without presenting sin in full view will keep believers from getting to that point of understanding. And I'm saying this from my own experience. And not to start a fight or hate on any one person but because I want to help others get to that point of understanding and deepness with God and I feel that warren's teachings won't get them there.

FSElement Says:

Dec 6, 2008 - Sorry if you don't see that, but that is what I've learned over time. Sorry if you like the guy but I just don't agree with him.And as far as 'religious background or doctrinal views', doctrine is so important in understanding who God is. If you don't know who Jesus is, how can you except him? But that's a whole another issue.And to follow another religion and 'follow christ' is extremely and blatantly contradicting to scripture.It's reasons like this why I choose not to be fed by this guy

FSElement Says:

Dec 6, 2008 - But I guess we've just got different views on Christianity.