Richard Dawkins - The Greatest Show On Earth

UWEandrew Says:

May 21, 2012 - Science is interesting and if you don't agree, you can fuck off.

odalrich Says:

May 21, 2012 - Science doesn't start off as a pseudo-sciene! I never said that. I would say that it might start as science fiction if you wish, but science fiction is NOT pseudo-science. Much of the science and technology we enjoy nowadays was science fiction in the past. Astrology, alchemy, etc. was and is pseudo-science.

asceticromeo Says:

May 21, 2012 - I agree. I tried to see if reverse-logic worked on this discussion - it didn't !I have no problems with DNA answering many many question on us humans and life as a whole, but all I'm saying is our current knowledge level isn't enough to simply dismiss doubts by folks out there as 'unscientific'.And that's how I put forward list of Accepted theories, citing very clearly their 'operational boundaries', i.e.: you can't explain life by placing it within a human defined framework.

odalrich Says:

May 22, 2012 - The fact that our present knowledge isn't enough to explain what or how the universe was formed doesn't mean that there is a "who" (who is unscientific); the fact that sometimes we have a feeling of a "dejà vu" doesn't mean that that we've lived different lives in the past; the fact that we can't see beyond the horizon of an ocean doesn't mean that beyond that point there's an abyss where all ships fall down, etc. With knowledge or without it, you need evidence, not faith.

asceticromeo Says:

May 23, 2012 - Fair enough, but why conclusively deny existence of any phenomenon when science is merely 'work in progress" on such matters?When the 'who' are a bunch of aliens... why not?There're quite a number of 'pagan' believe systems with a god for everything!Even the christian believe system is based on recorded evidence... now, it's a matter for science to accept those records.Strange, I've never seen particles zooming around in a bubble chamber, but I have no problem accepting that as fact!

asceticromeo Says:

May 23, 2012 - In addition, flat-world is a medieval European 'truth', elsewhere, heliocentric cosmic view and knowledge of astronomy has been around for ages. Did these people gained access the others couldn't?

odalrich Says:

May 24, 2012 - Those who believe in magical sky fairies are the ones who subject themselves to humiliation and ridicule when with their childish speeches try to debate with scientists. Any scientist, as a member of human society, has the right to expose religion as a belief devoid of any evidence that might support the existence of magical beings living in fantasy geographies. Especially when the scientist is a teacher who works with rational thinking based on evidence.

odalrich Says:

May 24, 2012 - 1) There're three ways to verify if something is real: i detecting it directly using our 5 senses. ii detecting it indirectly using our 5 senses with the help of special instruments, such as microscopes, telescopes, measuring equipment, etc. iii using more indirect methods by creating models of what might be real and then testing these models to see if they predict things that we can verify with our 5 senses with or without the aid of instruments. •••/•••

odalrich Says:

May 24, 2012 - •••/••• 2) If a "bunch of aliens" can be detected by 1 or 2 then you have an evidence of their existence. Don't have the evidence yet. Particles "zooming around in a bubble chamber"? You can prove it with 2 or 3. They exist. "Christian believe system based on recorded evidence"??? Mention this evidence. I know none. The flat Earth was not a truth but a fallacy. Other areas of the world have their own fallacies, example: a person has lived different lives in the past. Evidence, please.

asceticromeo Says:

May 25, 2012 - I agree... all of 'em...... but;Aren't you missing the import of life's perpetual dynamism?When did this 'falsifiable, repeatable' proper science culture come about?Is this current concept the end-point in world view... all kinds?Are you saying a different type of creation-view is not possible?To reach out to extra-sensory instruments to better understand our world says a lot about the validity of our 'perception', doesn't it ?...cont'd

asceticromeo Says:

May 25, 2012 - Again, I agree... as specified in my very first response to your post... extra-sensory instruments, with a coupla out-of-whack e.g. !No evidence, can't repeat my incident, and therefore I'm woo-woo?How about questioning the potency of our 'off the shelf' extra-sensory instruments?Accuracy, sir, ... that's my point.All our 'scientific' experiments have a set or well defined boundaries, or in vogue speak - frame work.Real life doesn't provide for such luxury.Does science speak Absolute?

Yulex42 Says:

May 25, 2012 - You could even call the debates.....GOD AWFULI'm sorry that was terrible

odalrich Says:

May 26, 2012 - The only creation I know is the one caused by evolution. If some other kind of creation is possible I haven't found it yet.Truth in science isn't absolute but provisional and can change if a new scientific discovery modifies the previous one.I cannot respond the rest of your comments because they are too mystical to me and I have been unable to decipher them. By the way, what is a woo-woo?

asceticromeo Says:

May 26, 2012 - woo-woo=ridiculously irrational.sorry for the being too 'mystical', don't mean to.Actually, I haven't personally talked to god or any aliens either, and evolution is the only 'real science' available to me as well..but, I find the way all the dials and buttons perfectly lined up, and that too in such a short time, to get humans where we are today, vis-a-vis, the way science see it today, is way too simplistic.Are alien-gods a product of evolution too?..hope I didn't blaspheme against god!

nolielhaven Says:

May 27, 2012 - 4.5 billions years is not a short time. 99% of ALL species that ever lived have become extinct which is not 'perfectly dialed' or 'set up'. Natural selection works because its simple in its basis but absolutely brutal and merciless in its execution. Of course no one wants to turn darwinism into a moral guideline, but science and intelligent thinking can lead humanity to something that does not separate countries based on their beliefs, because in science there is nothing to believe but to KNOW

thepenguin114 Says:

May 27, 2012 - One can't blaspheme against that of which one is a form.

asceticromeo Says:

May 27, 2012 - The progression of this discussion itself is an incredible testament to the force of evolution at work!I admit, it's futile to resist the concept of evolution.Perhaps I was confusing the mechanics within this concept, i.e.: even 'alien interruption' is but one such mechanism.Your reference to 'to know' phenomenon is interesting, as this is Exactly how 'pagan religions' of the east functions.It is said that change itself is the only unchanging constant.Can we say the same for evolution?

nolielhaven Says:

May 28, 2012 - Indeed we can. A poetic form how I describe evolution is this: It is the shaping of live according to the boundaries of reality that permit it to continue to exist or fall into the forgotten. We are lucky to be alive, lucky that we made it so far and have been granted the ability, through adaption to our environment, to look back at the struggle of our ancestors, the endless war, the endless struggle for one thing. Survival. Now we have intelligence which has even more potential of achieving it.

asceticromeo Says:

May 28, 2012 - Sir, I sense a feminine force was Definitely at work while those words came into formation!Man, that's beautiful.How come we're so messed up?Indeed we can.........Undo this mess, Can we?Can we?

nolielhaven Says:

May 28, 2012 - I have a strong feminine side within me but I am male. I am not homosexual, but I have deep respect and admiration of the female perspective granted through this weird way of thinking I possess. I hope that people can see reason, that they can lay down their superstitious believes which blind them from the real human values which took so long to shape on their own. I hope that Muslims and Christians or any other culture can shake hands without secretly thinking how wrong the other one is. :)

asceticromeo Says:

May 28, 2012 - Nolielhaven, no worries,I was referring to the feminine aspect - The Universal One - A concept, neither do I have anything against folks who are 'different'....... live and let live!Death Angel's scythe does Not discriminate.Indeed, the politics of this whole thing is so wrong and Baseless, but who said Evolutionary-Salvation was easy !Where're my Brownie points?

nolielhaven Says:

May 28, 2012 - I am happy to be different. Death does not judge, just like evolution. It just does. No one said guiding humans to the future is easy, but we can get there if we work on it with reason. Here is your cooky!

GoyoteLedesma Says:

May 29, 2012 - this book is amazing, you should read the god delusion aswell, great arguements!

odalrich Says:

May 29, 2012 - Well, don't think anyone has been able to talk to God if you have a healthy brain and don't suffer from any "woo-woo" illness.Some scientist claim that the belief in gods is part of the evolutionary process of the brain; I can't delve into this subject because I'm not scientist. If you have "blasphemed" against God don't worry, the world's problems are very many and I don't think God has time to deal with unimportant things. Anyway interventionist gods don't exist.