Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier 1 FULL FIGHT

starginsky Says:

May 25, 2012 - Final point: this thing where some people go on about Ali "holding" (in fights 1 and 2) - he did NOT hold and FAIL to fight (where I would have a problem with it), he simply held Joe at certain moments when Joe came in - a very normal part of boxing, where the ref has to separate them. This was within the context of an immense amount of ACTION in almost every round in each fight from both men. Some people talk as if Ali simply held on, which is a true joke

Kogaassassin Says:

May 25, 2012 - is it me or is there a huge size difference ?

CoolerKing37 Says:

May 25, 2012 - Frazier was about 3 inches shorter than Ali and Ali had a longer reach by 7 inches.

3244gorilla Says:

May 25, 2012 - PorkFrog: Exactly. I've heard some good ones from Ali fans regarding this fight. I've watched this fight @ 12-15 x's over the years. War between 2 of the Top 10 HVW's of all-time. The holding, neck grabbing/pulling (Ali warned in rd 1) hs been on-going source of debate between Joe's fans & Alis'. Ali shld've got deductions in each fight - Joe's relentless aggression ws 2 much 4 Ali - w/out ths constant shit, Ali wld've bn KO'd in 71' & 75'.

bryan james Says:

May 25, 2012 - I am an boxing fan & I like Ali and Joe but to be objective 40 years on if Ali was as good at boxing boxing as he was at holding he would have been the greatest but as he wasn't the greatest is still up for debate.He wouldn't have been able to hold on to Tyson when Tyson was at his best.

Chinatete Says:

May 25, 2012 - Ali ali

3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - bryan james: You Tyson lovers. Overrated, dummy. KO'd 19 BUMS, struggled w/ mediocre fighters, then got KO'd by Buster, a journeyman. Buster was no Frazier, pal.

3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - And Tyson definitely was no Smokin' Joe Frazier.

3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - Biggst name Tyson beat - Spinks! Tillis, Tucker, & Smith ALL wnt 12 w/ hm & these guys were no Ali! His handlers pumpd up KO's by fitng 19 bums 2 strt career; combind losses exceeded wins! Ended losng 6 fights, 5 by KO/TKO. H-Field/Lewis MUCH better, both KO'ng hm. McBride (who?)TKO'd hm in 6. Prison/vulture promoters/psyche issues/drugs, etc. If guy ws so "Great" he wld STILL kick ass in ring. KO'd by 42-1 shot & unranked Buster (b4 prison)?! Hmmm....

RefillForever Says:

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RefillForever Says:

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3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - Refill4Ever: Very eloquent & informative. Transcedental, in fact. Yes, this is a Tysonphile. Duped by the "massive KO #'s", 7/8th of which came vs 1st 19 bums & journeymen. Oh, & that quality competition aftr that "feat" (Tillis, Tucker, Smith, Spinks, Thomas, Berbick, Bruno). WOW - impressive, huh? Oh, but that nagging KO to Douglas, the KO to H-Field, the nxt loss 2 H-Field, rendered almost unconscious by Lewis, & McBride - now he was major competition.

3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - Refill your Tyson lemonade. Guess you love 2 admire handler & media manufactured bull - in the end it was all bullshit. Tyson most wildly overrated HVW I've witnessed in my life. You need to attend Intro to Boxing 101 & attend the Tyson debriefing sessions at Belleview.

Lazer77 Says:

May 26, 2012 - You know why I hate Muhammad Ali? Because he is a racist fuck who simply fueled racism at a crucial era for the civil rights movement. Meanwhile, Joe Frazier was a down to Earth, humble, good, honest man. What's even worse is that Ali used racism to turn people against Frazier. He didn't support anything American. His arrogance WAS annoying, but at least he had the talent to back it up. Its just when you use your arrogance to insult others (with racism of all things), that is different.

3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - Lazer77: Right, Right. Ali called Joe an "Uncle Tom" & a "House Negro" b4 this fight. Called him a "gorilla" b4 TIM. Joe inflicted more damage to Ali than any other fighter. Ali & Joe had a sort of love/hate thing going on since the mid-60's. Joe appeared on a "This is Your Life" show honoring Ali in 78'. Ali attended Joe's funeral - decked out, I might add. 2 of the all-time greats....

neneshubby Says:

May 26, 2012 - All you need to know about the Tyson, Frazier, Ali 'debate' is that Ali's first loss was to undefeated Joe Frazier, Joe Fraziers first loss was to undefeated George Foreman and Mike Tyson's first loss was to James 'Buster' Douglas.

3244gorilla Says:

May 26, 2012 - neneshubby: Seriously? That's all there is to IT? Two tiny, little flaws - 1) Ali, Frazier, Foreman would have destroyed Tyson, pre-prison or post-prison. 2) Tyson was KO'd by an unranked journeyman - a 42-1 shot - pre-prison. Tyson wasn't anywhere near these 3 guys. Nowhere near...

trvth1s Says:

May 28, 2012 - Don't be ridiculous. Styles make fights. imo Foreman would have killed Tyson, but due to Styles Tyson would have whopped Alis ass. He was like Frazier but faster and with power in both hands. A prime Tyson in the 80's could go 12 rounds [idk about 15 rounds]. Tyson-Frazier would have been interesting & i know Tyson wouldnt do what Foreman did.

cristiandemirel1918 Says:

May 28, 2012 - it's sad that we'll never see something like this

sashe44 Says:

May 28, 2012 - The judge who scored it 11-4 Frazier must have dropped some serious 60's acid before the fight. I am not sure how judges scored fights back then, but try as hard as I might I don't see how Frazier won more than 6 rounds. If I give every benefit of the doubt in favor of Frazier I would give him rounds 3,6,8,11,12 and 15. And that's being generous...I guess if you deducted Ali for clinching and gave more to Frazier for pressing the fight regardless of ounches landed, then maybe Frazier wins.

3244gorilla Says:

May 28, 2012 - Frazier 10-5. All morons & imbiciles below who feel Ali won this fight - listen 2 your own man's admission in several interviews during the early 80's tht he LOST! Didn't say it could have gone either way, there was a gov't. conspiracy, or because he was Muslim - he simply reviewed films SEVERAL x's looking 2 see he if was robbed. Guess what? He said he couldn't find a robbery..."Joe won the 1st one - he did. He beat me". Now who ws in ring w/ Frazier on 3/8/71 - u idiot revisionists or Ali?

3244gorilla Says:

May 28, 2012 - I'll ask again, all Tyson fanboyz. What was his record vs. Buster (pre-prison, btfw), Holyfield twice, Lewis, & McBride. All losses. Buster: KO. Holy 1: KO Holy 2: Meltdown bt still wld hve bn beaten. Lewis: Crushing KO. McBride (who?): 6th rd TKO. Tyson didn't have endurance - by rnds 7-8 he'd start tiring. Douglas, Holyfield, & Lewis KO's hm in 9, 10, & 11. That ring General, Kevin McBride (lol), TKO'd bitch in 6. Tyson wld'nt hve bn able 2 deal w/ @ 100 HVW Champs & contenders since 1935.

3244gorilla Says:

May 29, 2012 - Throw in Jack Johnson, John L. Sullivan, Jess Williard, and Jack Dempsey into that "100" list who wld crush Tyson...

Redlineowns Says:

May 29, 2012 - ali would beat any one end of story learn ur s1it about boxing before u say someone will beat ali noone will deal with it