Syokimau Demolitions

kaungakaunga Says:

Nov 18, 2011 - Dear Kenyans, i might sound crazy but it is alright. Three things were brought to us by the whiteman; POLITICS, RELIGION, EDUCATION. The very person who introduced this 3 institutions to us knew that he would USE the 3 to control(ruin) our lives. So please KENYANS try to find out who is this ''HIDDEN HAND''(powers) that run our lives indirectly. BUT PLEASE STOP BLAMING THE GOVERNMENT. it is a 'new dawn'. expect more. our GOK is a bunch of puppets. WHO IS THE PUPPETMASTER?????????????

Waiswa1 Says:

Nov 18, 2011 - "Double check with the various authorities." Isn't that exactly what the Syokimau residents did? Where else were they supposed to check other than Mavoko Town Council (where all the Syokimau land titles are officially kept)? And how is one supposed to know whether a given piece of land is "disputed"? By reading newspapers, listening to radio or going to bars???

Juluka69 Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - No I don't think they went to THE MIN OF LANDS, which is the premier authority on land matters. All the OROGINAL maps and even title deed signatories can be found there. R u aware some of those guys had titles signed by a guy who'd been fired like six mths. prior, a guy who was no longer a government employee let alone an authorized signatory, that's the stuff one can find out if U r patient n not out for a quick kill which turns out into a quick descent for you.

Waiswa1 Says:

Nov 19, 2011 - Actually, the "Torrens" Land Registry system used in Kenya is decentralized (i.e titles are kept at the nearest local government offices). You'd never find land titles for Syokimau (or, say, Busia) in Nairobi. The Min of Lands only keeps titles for land in the Nairobi area. Secondly, if the concerned official had been fired, shouldn't the government have put out a notice warning prospective clients not to deal with a particular individual who no longer represented them?

Juluka69 Says:

Nov 21, 2011 - Yes, some very valid points Waswa but at the Min of Lands, one can get some info that U can not get at the councils . U can authenticate your SERIAL numbers for example and also find out who is the authorized signatory. GOK does not put notices abt signatories in the papers as U well know.

ggitariful Says:

Nov 22, 2011 - Its the Government we voted for rite?next time jua unavotia nini

smithlovekenya Says:

Nov 22, 2011 - ...THIS IS A MATTER OF LAW. THERE ARE THOSE POLITICIANS WHO VIEWS A TITTLE DEED AS A PIECE OF PAPER AND THOSE WHO VIEWS THE LAW THE SAME WAY. I THOUGHT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW ANYMORE. BUT AGAIN THE CONSTITUTION IS JUST A PIECE OF PAPER!!?

xassan1977 Says:

Nov 23, 2011 - i am very sorry for kenyans . it made me so sad about this , is there any other options . this is no  piece of paper , it is their lives , where is the democracy, i bought a house in islii , , is it gonna be next, kenya was a beautifull and peacefull country but no more . what we wait is killing each other and robbing each other like somalia

kimanthymose Says:

Nov 24, 2011 - a country where court orders are toilet papers,...god help has.

erastusmovies Says:

Nov 30, 2011 - I have flown to countless airports in US and Europe and have seen buildings so close to the flight path you can probably see someone sitting in their living room. I am not saying that people should put up buildings everywhere without regard for safety, but in Syokimau, those buildings offered no risk to planes, a better way to ensure safety was maybe to gate off the community and have tenants allowance pay for security patrol, I'm sure it would have cost much less than losing a KSH 30M

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 3, 2011 - They obviously never checked at the first place they should have checked with, Min of Lands.

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 3, 2011 - My brother you may be the most "flown" guy but that still does not make U an authority in aviation safety. Indeed in places like Kai Tak airport(take it U know where that is) , one flies in between skyscrapers but still there's clear flight path despite the buildings U see. However the point is that the guys were on the land illegally whatever we say, a simple check at Min of lands would have told them that. Lesson - Caveat Emptor

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 3, 2011 - U r partly right but the Min of Lands still has to have ALL records of land deals and also ALL original maps and title copies and records are there for all to see if we could only take time and CHECK, tuache ma shot cut za life and we'll be ok.

erastusmovies Says:

Dec 3, 2011 - Bro. I am confused by your reply, first off, Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong CLOSED in 1998, The airport was surrounded by mountains and skyscrapers 5-10k. Syokimau highest buildings were 2 floors, now if a plane is flying that low that far off the runway, we have a problem. According to the parliamentary hearings, the land and home owners followed due diligence when buying the land and followed all the proper avenues to develop it and pay taxes. Wait for report.erastusmovies 1 sec ago

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 4, 2011 - You miss the point as usual, I was just jst giving the Kai Tak exmple. to show how close buildings can be to an airport n yet not in the flight path. How so sure you can be EVERYONE who bought land in Syokimau followed what according 2 u is "due diligence" beats me when it's a case of "res ipsa loquita" . The PS showed us the original title deed of the land and clearly it had not been subdvded. Any simple search at Min of Lands would reveal that, tuache short cuts

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 4, 2011 - Point is not how high the buildings were, were they there LEGALLY ? answer is sadly NO and that's why even compensation may be tricky, that's the sad fact my brother regardless of what some "smart lawyer" may tell you, unless someone pays on humanitarian grounds.

erastusmovies Says:

Dec 8, 2011 - A report tabled in Parliament yesterday by the JPC that investigated the recent demolitions be adopted and implemented by the GOK, then the victims may be compensated for their loss by the state. The report tabled by the chair of the committee, Gachoka MP Musyimi, also recommends that the government gives humanitarian assistance to all those affected. And as Chris Thairu reports, it also notes that majority of those affected may not have known that the title deeds they held were fake.

erastusmovies Says:

Dec 8, 2011 - I did some homework, a one or two story building according to international flight regulations cannot be considered to be in a flight path unless build either on the runaway or one km directly infront of the runaway. None of those houses demolished did. By your argument of flight path warehouses and car hire offices at or near the airport should be demolished.

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 10, 2011 - @erastusmoviesh, Humanitarian assistance is what the report recommends not COMPENSATION. You can not be compensated for what did not rightfully own legally and that unfortunately was the case with the Syokimau victims. For me the disappointment was that Mutava does not recommend the arrest and charging of the Mlolongo brothers who "sold" the land in the first place. Check out my post 6days ago...

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 10, 2011 - I quote from my earlier post to respond to you - Point is not how high the buildings were, were they there LEGALLY ? answer is sadly NO and that's why even compensation may be tricky, that's the sad fact my brother regardless of what some "smart lawyer" may tell you, unless someone pays on humanitarian grounds. Like U so rightly observed, Kai Tak(when it was open) and even Chep Lak kok have skyscrapers close to the airport but not on the flight path.

erastusmovies Says:

Dec 10, 2011 - For once we can agree, I think a lot of people at Ardhi House, and the brokers who sold the land and cleared it ought to be criminally charged, sentenced and fined to the fullest extent of the law, its the only way to bring accountability and end impunity, that report by MP's was useless if it doesn't recommend such actions. Its nice having a mature conversation with someone even though we disagree at times.

Juluka69 Says:

Dec 11, 2011 - I fully concur erastus, for sure the only way such things will end is when we start seeing people being punished for their evil deeds and I agree with U fully this needs to happen. I just hope it's the last time we witness such pain inflicted on innocent guys.

3xpert719pro Says:

Jan 14, 2012 - protesting chickens