The Passing Of The Eldar - Towards The End

Centration Says:

Apr 29, 2012 - Which means they are NOT friends. Definitly not friends. And comparing an elf to a human isn't good at all. An elf looks down to a human, not up. It dislikes it's bad character. Sorry for grammar if it's bad :'(

Rozaiko Says:

Apr 29, 2012 - yes, but they are not enemies either, so it isn't that bad.It's normal to dislike a bad trait in any being.People may judge me but it doesn't make them bad people.In fact, those who judge me may be better than me or even someone I would learn from.I cannot and will not dislike someone only because they don't like me.I wouldn't mind living alongside elves even if they don't like me.They may have good reason to dislike me.It's childish to dislike someone only because that someone dislikes you.

Centration Says:

Apr 30, 2012 - Well, to you maybe. But a king of highborn might be insulted --> war. You started with humans being the idols of elves, and now we already agreed that they dislike each other :)

Rozaiko Says:

Apr 30, 2012 - I did not say they were idols, I said they were looked up to to defeat the enemy in the last days of third age.And I don't think there would be a war simply because of an insult.A human being might have his bubble burst but an elf will be unlikely, so it is likely a human will start a war, not the elves.Have you read all of the "Silmaillion"? I have questions regarding feanor and fingolfin.

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 5, 2012 - Dwarves and elves traditionally felt quite a bit of animosity toward each other (though even that wasn't always true), but trying to make generalizations about how men and elves felt about each other is not particularly meaningful ... it varied so much over the ages and in different places. Even in one place and time, e.g. the latter days of Numenor, there were men that revered the Eldar along side of those that hated them. In any case, what are your questions about Feanor and Fingolfin?

Rozaiko Says:

May 5, 2012 - I know. In the early days of numenor, elves and men were actually best buddiesMy question about feanor is-was he evil at heart for causing the kinslaying or was he just on his period at the time because of the loss of his silmarils? I mean, how would anyone else feel if their MOST precious thing was just gone and the only way to get it was by using someone else's precious things?Wouldn't they too be feel compelled to kill? And who of the two was stronger, who is the mightier one in combat?

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 6, 2012 - Not to get too philosophical, but in a way you answered your own question about Feanor. If the most precious things in one's life are, quite literally, things ... even things of one's own making ... rather than people, you're going to have major moral issues. Feanor was extremely proud, arrogant, suspicious, and self-obsessed ... long before he lost the Silmarils. Galadriel, who was known from the very beginning for her ability to read people's hearts, sensed that very early on.

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 6, 2012 - As for combat skills/strength, I would say Fingolfin was the greater ... it's pretty clear in my mind. Feanor is mostly known for two battles ... one being the kinslaying, and the other being the battle to retrieve the Silmarils from Morgoth. In the latter, he obviously fought a fight worthy of remembering, but was so driven by rage he didn't use his head, ended up alone, and was killed by a Balrog.

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 6, 2012 - Fingolfin fought many more battles, used his head more, and died fighting Morgoth himself ... holding his own for a while, and inflicting some damage before falling. That final bit of combat outshines anything Feanor ever did, in my opinion.

Rozaiko Says:

May 6, 2012 - but if Feanor did use his head, would he have been like Fingolfin in battle?If Feanor already had seeds of evil in him, would that mean that elves are not as pure as people think?Just another cheesy question-how old was Feanor, Fingolfin, and Galadriel when Feanor finally created the Silmarils? And how old were they when Feanor died?I would have to admit, it's pretty hard not to become arrogant when you create the most coolest things in all of Arda that even the gods cannot copy.

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 6, 2012 - It's likely that Feanor would have been a greater warrior than Fingolfin had his character flaws not gotten in the way. It can be argued that he was anyway ... I tend to think not, but there are reasonable arguments either way. Tolkien certainly throws enough superlatives at Feanor as far as his innate abilities go.Regarding elven purity, you're probably right they're more corruptible than many realize. Even Galadriel came close to falling in LOTR. There are drunken elves in "Hobbit."

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 6, 2012 - From Tolkien's Annals of Aman chronology reproduced (I assume correctly) on the Tolkien Gateway website, converting everything to solar years:At the completion of the Silmarils, Feanor was 2693, Fingolfin 2491, and Galadriel 843 ... assuming I did the math right.At Feanors death: Feanor was 3143, Fingolfin 2942, Galadriel 1294.

Rozaiko Says:

May 7, 2012 - How old was galadriel at the time of lord of the rings? I'm just trying to get the picture of timeline of middle earth's/arda's history.But yeah, you got me interested with the hobbit...drunken elves...now that's interesting.

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 7, 2012 - At the time of LOTR, Galadriel was about 8400 years old, again based on the Annals of Aman. One caveat -- all the events you've mentioned, from Feanor's birth to his death, took place before the creation of the sun, at a time when Valian years were measured based on the life-cycles of the Two Trees. When Tolkien developed his chronology, it was based on 1 Valian year being about 9.5 solar years. In later notes, he seemed to be revising the conversion up to 1 Valian year being 144 solar years.

drdaveoldguy Says:

May 7, 2012 - He apparently never went back and revised the chronology, however. There are some who think you can just substitute the 9.5 with the 144, in which case, the ages I've been giving become much greater. (E.g. Galadriel becomes more like 27,000 years old at the time of LOTR.) The problem is that there are certain events that take ridiculously long periods of time if you simply make that substitution. So I tend to stick with the conversion Tolkien had in mind when he developed the chronology.

Rozaiko Says:

May 7, 2012 - yeah I would stick with smaller numbers too.But man, I never knew that feanor lived before the creation of the sun.It's like he and other elves lived in some other dimension....interesting.

MariusThePaladin Says:

May 9, 2012 - Holyshit, you didn't read The Hobbit but you know mush more than him. I really have to find the Silmarillion to read. O:

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395leandro Says:

May 17, 2012 - Actually Tolkien does not use this mythology you talked about. All of his stories is an allusion to catholicism. From the god himself (Erú Ilúvatar), the angels (Valar and Maiar), demons (Balrogs), lucifer (Melkor/Morgoth, the first lord of darkness, and first enemy), belial(Sauron, servant of Morgoth in the anciant days of the middle-earth in Beleriand and in the iron hell of Angband and in the tower of thangorodrim, second lord of darkness, and second enemy)

Gondaldin Says:

May 18, 2012 - ... and the Valar were inspired by the Norse and Greek gods, Tolkien himself said that Túrin Turambar was partially inspired by Kullervo, which is a character in Kalevala, Gandalf can be seen as Odin or Väinamöinen, love relations between Elves and Men are recurring in Scandinavian folklore, many Dwarven names are taken from Völuspá (Norse Mythology) including Thorin and Thrain, the name Gandalf is also taken form Völuspá, and the list goes on.

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Gosselins77 Says:

May 23, 2012 - If you had any sense to pay attention, Tolkien spelled it "Dwarves".

Centration Says:

May 24, 2012 - Oh god, stop those retarded comments about spelling mistakes, will ya? I'm only human. -.-