'Tolerance' and the 'Ground Zero Mosque' -Part 2

josephdorrell Says:

Jan 27, 2012 - Yes, we need to make a clear distinction between 'tolerating' ideas and people, and 'respecting' them. TF00ts first video was basically saying that he does not respect the reasons for a mosque to be built, yet he can tolerate it because they have a fundamental right. In summary: You have a right to be an idiot, but people aren't required to respect you for it!

sol3a1 Says:

Feb 17, 2012 - People hear what they want to hearBest way to destroy free speech is to get it to destroy itself

gateman42 Says:

Feb 21, 2012 - The end does appear to be near. Not by the action of any god but by the idea of a god.

Wotanraven Says:

Feb 25, 2012 - Many atheists get very annoyed when Islam is criticized while they wouldn't bat an eye when Christianity is criticized in an even more violent or supposedly "unfair" fashion.That shit annoys the shit out of me. I'm an atheist, I criticize all religions, I'm fairly well informed with most of what these religions say and do, and I definitely detest Islam the most, and refuse to be lectured by other atheists who get uncontrollably offended and compare "islamophobia" with some form of racism.

TheEyeSock Says:

Feb 25, 2012 - Here, effin' here to this response! No religion is beyond questioning Atheists. I'm not against people of Arab descent nor should we be, but if there are Arabs with bat shit crazy ideas that discriminate against people and end up people being killed, like I dunno, Islam maybe we should call them out on their hypocrisies as well as the hypocrisies of Xians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, ect, ect.

Hunn1313 Says:

Feb 26, 2012 - @jhcdnx yep, only for muslims. muslims are a group defined by religion. people are prevented from entering Mecca by virtue of being part of an identifiable group. the identifiable group is non-Muslim. religious-based discrimination. not acceptable here, in Canada.

MrPlopqwerty Says:

Feb 26, 2012 - good effort, thunderfoot

nikoro1234 Says:

Feb 28, 2012 - its a atheists right to call out how fucked up any and all religions are and that doesn't make us a bigot.

KittenKoder Says:

Feb 28, 2012 - They should not build a mosque there, they should instead build a homeless shelter or some other good will center to show they are not the same as the ones that attacked us. They have the right, but it's not morally sound to build a mosque specifically. If they want to make a good impression on us, they'd help the US people as a whole, with no regard for belief, sexual orientation, gender, etc..

93Cobalt Says:

Mar 1, 2012 - I agree massively. What they don't realise is that by granting religion freedom from criticism, they are marginalising and stopping our freedom of speech. The only solution is to remove censorship, and let everybody have their say, and see who's left standing.

MangaDelusions Says:

Mar 2, 2012 - Very informative.. just proves how backwards they really are

Xsuprio Says:

Mar 5, 2012 - Taking time to address people who twist your carefully chosen words. TF, you're my flipp'n hero, man.

xQuciferx Says:

Mar 19, 2012 - Genuine question here:So, Christians have a book called the Bible, and a God named Yahweh. The bible, does have scriptures that amount to kill/shun nonbelievers. And Yahweh is depicted many times as killing people for apostasy, worshiping other gods, ect. The first 3 of the 10 commandments, and that they were to be punishable offenses, says enough.My question, and I mean it honestly, is would TF or anyone following that reasoning, say Christians are also not allowed to talk about tolerance?

xQuciferx Says:

Mar 19, 2012 - Clarifying, by "talking about tolerance", I mean, should christians also not request tolerance, or "make arguments in the name of tolerance". All out-dated religions are intolerant, not just Islam. What, if anything, separates a Tolerant Christian with an intolerant and discriminating holy book and god, and a Tolerant Christian with the same Issue between Allah and the Koran.Do most religious people, at least all those following the Abrahamic beliefs, not have a right to want to be tolerated?

itachi705 Says:

Mar 29, 2012 - Difference: Christians do not pray toward an icon of discrimination like Mecca.

xQuciferx Says:

Mar 30, 2012 - Instead they have a book with passages promoting discrimination, and a discriminating God.Is it that Mecca's actually real? I mean, the intolerance of Mecca, though worse for being real, is no where near as bad as the proposed intolerance of either holy book and either interpretation of their deity. I don't see how praying towards an "icon of discrimination" falls into a different category.

TheBardicDruid Says:

Mar 30, 2012 - Every time the muslims conquer a country they build a giant mosque. This was going to be done by the Cordoba initiative, named after the giant mosque the muslims built in Cordoba Spain when they conquered Spain. In the muslims eyes it was to honor the conquering of the US.

ogaogaboogamba Says:

Apr 1, 2012 - I would love to see one example where people who really followed the bible (WBC) were allowed to use "in the name of tolerance" .christians are the majority here.They tolerate themselves.duh!

xQuciferx Says:

Apr 2, 2012 - They've got a persecution complex and act like everyone, society, government, media, are all intolerant of them all the time.Westboro are a great example of how it's an intolerant book, and also an example of them demanding their hate be tolerated. Would Christians, or even Westboro, not be allowed to expect tolerance for the same reasons Thunderf00t proposes Muslims shouldn't?Then again, I wouldn't feel bad at all about taking Westboro rights away.

ogaogaboogamba Says:

Apr 2, 2012 - the westboro never demanded tolerance. They never expected any.True, they might be hateful and maniacal beasties, but they never said "tolerate us"

arglesflargle Says:

Apr 4, 2012 - Why is it that people seem to think that if you make objective, critical comment about their religion that you are somehow being intolerant? If you believe in any one religion then you by definition believe people who believe in another religion is wrong. It seems to me that people like thunderfoot are just being honest about it and are raising perfectly valid points. Its not like hes threatening to kill anyone who disagrees exactly.

arglesflargle Says:

Apr 4, 2012 - oops couple of grammar mistakes in my comment apologies

GregariousBird Says:

Apr 23, 2012 - The irony of the politically correct reaction to thunderf00t's video is that there is something substantially similar in the self righteous, holier than thou finger pointing of those who are always so quick to denounce someone a 'racist' or 'bigoted' on the flimsiest of grounds and the puritans of old or bible thumpers of today who self similarly righteously are ever overeager to denounce someone as 'sinful!' on the flimsiest of grounds. I don't think all the misquoting of thunderf00t here is a

Mikeybetts Says:

May 7, 2012 - christians may find it offensive, but christians wont kill people over it.unlike muslims, christians have a thing called "Civility" and they, unlike muslims, understand that not everyone is bound by the rules of their particular religion.

MsJustMatter Says:

May 22, 2012 - You can draw pig-jesus anyday in the west. Cursing also is daily practiced. Christians make a laught out of it, or ignore it. We're used to it. Burning people in towns square was some centuries ago.