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Title: Who Needs College Anyway? Remarks by Charles Murray
Added: Feb 23, 2009
Author: hechingerinst
Duration: 8:21
Description:
President Obama set an ambitious new goal in his speech to Congress on February 24, 2009, proclaiming that by 2020, America will ...have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world. But some experts, like author Charles Murray, dont think we need more Americans going to college. In his new book, Real Education: Four Simple Truths for Bringing Americas Schools Back to Reality (Random House, 2008), Murray argues that Americans place too much value on the bachelors degree.Murray and researcher Anthony Carnevale debated Who Needs a College Education Anyway? at the Hechinger Institutes Seminar for Higher Education Reporters in December 2008. Scott Jaschik of Inside Higher Ed moderated the debate.Murray, the W. H. Brady Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, contends that because ability varies and 50 percent of people are below average, our current system of higher education makes little sense.Carnevale, Research Professor and Director of the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce, argues we should encourage as many students as possible to attend and graduate from college, because intelligence isnt fixed at birth and can be influenced by education. After their remarks, Murray and Carnevale took questions from journalists participating in the Seminar.
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Youtube Comments: 244
scottandrewhutchins Says:
Dec 30, 2011 - I thought that way the first few years out of grad school, but now one of my grad school colleagues is paying to relocate me to work for him.Again, my point was that autodidacticism is necessarily restricted because it has no external guidance. It's extremely valuable, but when it's entirely self-driven, you often ignore things you should be looking at.
TheMedievalMan Says:
Dec 30, 2011 - True, but thats why I try and look at things from an outside-the-box view. I read as much as I can on the opposite side of what I personally believe. If I want to attack Feminism for example, I look at Feminist authors. If I want to attack Afro-centric pseudo-history. I look at what Afro-centric authors have to say. If you read more on the opposing view, you will be more knowledgeable than those who only read what their own side tells them.
scottandrewhutchins Says:
Dec 31, 2011 - It sounds like you're a right-wing extremist.
TheMedievalMan Says:
Dec 31, 2011 - I consider myself a "traditional free-thinker". Conservatism & Progressivism has had many different meanings throughout history, it changes even among generations. To be conservative is to follow yesterdays trends & ideas, to be progressive is to create new ones. Chesterton said tradition is the democracy of the dead, its the ideas that have proven to work over time. One should be careful about following too strictly any political/social ideology.
TheTrueLeaderOfAll Says:
Jan 19, 2012 - fuck college I don't need it you don't need it you just need a plan and pull it off.
mochafudgetruffle Says:
Feb 14, 2012 - With the internet, people can learn much on their own these days. Lots of free learning online - everything from math to foreign languages. You can even find free college lectures online.
gunlockz Says:
Feb 25, 2012 - i've been thinking for this argument, searching if someone in higher position willing to post these matter. and here it is, so its 2012 now, why there isnt much change in our education now? anyone willing to tell me a little bit of info? and i'm so glad to see the green bar:)
johnfox137 Says:
Mar 7, 2012 - Recently decided switching from the University to a College, 2+ years down the toilet, I am just saying.
LukeTheFlook Says:
Mar 19, 2012 - Degrees arent worthless. overpriced, yes but a great mind expanding experience.
strizhi Says:
Mar 23, 2012 - If your willing your mind to expand. Most don't just rather get by with the minimum to fill the quota and then broke with debt never before seen on American citizens!If you want to expand your mind then spend a fraction that it takes to go to college and travel the world and learn languages yourself. This system is so pathetic its laughable and because of it I'm proud to have put college on hold and for now quit on it :)My debt is being paid off and I'm learning a trade through experience.
bigweeniegenie14 Says:
Mar 24, 2012 - i'm a senior in college and i curse the day i went away to college! i've been taking classes non-stop since i graduated high school in 2008 (no summers or time off) and i still won't graduate until fall 2012! since starting i've been in the emergency room twice from anxiety attacks, put on three kinds of medication for depression, suicidal, put into campus counciling and if i quit now everyone is telling me i will never forgive myself for dropping out. life just fucking S-U-C-K-S!
Coltaculuss Says:
Mar 25, 2012 - If I want to study physics it's kinda hard to do it myself. You commentors seem to think that all college is pointless, business is the sort of thing that work experience teaches best, but science and engineering students need to know what they are taught.Great video and speaker though.
1879gym Says:
Apr 1, 2012 - I'm a bit surprised by Mr. Murray. He never makes a point and is merely trying to appeal to those without a complete formal education and stir the pot for personal gain with others.
slicingwater Says:
Apr 20, 2012 - No they are not in STEM programs they act as certification from the college stating that you have completed the neccesary course work and have graduated and are now a certified engineer/ scientist. Maybe in terms of history but in terms of mathematics and science you need a degree. Oh and all the jobs that don't require a degree are gone.
supersmash43 Says:
Apr 27, 2012 - This man speaks of nothing but the unadulterated truth about post secondary education.
LearningAsIGo80 Says:
May 5, 2012 - Isn't it funny when college grads talk about not getting a degree. Don't be fooled by this neoconservative. This man received numerous grants from the Bradley Foundation, he was a member of the American Enterprise Institute and the Manhattan Institute. He even won the Irving Kristol award, ewww gag me with a spoon.
NormannTheDoorman Says:
May 14, 2012 - Degrees. A very mind expanding piece of paper. Experience is mind expanding. Degrees are just certifications.
NormannTheDoorman Says:
May 14, 2012 - Those fields. Yes you need a degree. Journalism.......... whose fucking idea was it to create a journalism degree.
wealthy23ful Says:
May 15, 2012 - that's what I've always believed too!
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Paradigmdubstep Says:
May 24, 2012 - Ron Paul needs too win NUFF SAID
wheatonna Says:
May 25, 2012 - I teach at a college that awards nothing but the B.A. degrees he is beefing about. There's a lot of common sense here. Too many people go to college for a B.A. when they'd be better off doing something else, and it does no good to anyone. The only problem here is the underlying assumption, which is this: college is to prepare you for the economy. Once you accept that the whole point is to make a lot of money and be a good cog in the machine, his arguments are pretty sound.
supersmash43 Says:
May 26, 2012 - the same goes for a degree in Communications.
TheMedievalMan Says:
Dec 30, 2011 - I disagree. College has become a money making scam. Most who acquire degrees in certain fields, dont even use it for what they studied for. I know of a guy I was friends with in High School. He came back with a Masters, and got a job working for the Supermarket I used to work for. He couldnt find anything else. My Mother knows a friend with enough education to be a lawyer, shes unemployed and in debt. I wouldnt go because its a waste of my money.