Francis Schaeffer - A Christian Manifesto (Part 1 of 3)

cfortnerXYZ Says:

Aug 11, 2011 - Schaeffer is not an intellectual and probably not a christian. He has a technique which he uses in all his polemics. He avoids things that would alienate his "christian" audience. For example (and I confronted him on this) from the resurrection until the accession of Constantine there was not a single christian who was a soldier. They were, without exception PACIFISTS. He demonizes things we culturally despise and makes mountains out of molehills. He was a manipulator.

marthale7 Says:

Aug 14, 2011 - @TheChristsLove, exactly!

107paul Says:

Aug 16, 2011 - Can anyone subtitle this video in Spanish? thanks

maxlimbo007 Says:

Aug 17, 2011 - Francis Schaeffer? Deranged.

freethot333 Says:

Aug 18, 2011 - Francis Schaeffer's own son Frank can shed more light on his father than anyone else.......he is also on youtube

criisduva Says:

Aug 25, 2011 - Why is he deranged, max? what a stupid thing to write without giving a reason.

criisduva Says:

Aug 25, 2011 - cfortner - not a single soldier who was a Christian? read your Bible, man - soldiers are repenting both under John and Jesus. you just spread your own thoughts - and thats ok - but dont give historic false reasons for your thoughts.

vohshkab Says:

Oct 3, 2011 - Crazy Christian Fundamentalists ... but they talk a good game don't they?

RolandVandermerwe Says:

Dec 14, 2011 - Yeah it's pretty crazy to speak from a position of a solid foundation which cannot be shaken in lieu of serendipity doo dah.

franknhonest Says:

Feb 1, 2012 - I think Schaeffer regretted his alliance with the idiot Falwell towards the end.

grant1r Says:

Feb 8, 2012 - Secular humanism is the paradigm by which we are taught through public education. I think Francis Schaeffer's concerns are accurate and understands that it corrodes Christianity from within. God is the measure of all things, not man. Christ calls us to serve God, which involves serving everybody. 20th century American hedonism is the cause for divorce. Incredible how dutiful people like Asians have only 4% divorce rate.

grant1r Says:

Feb 8, 2012 - I will agree with you about independence, individuality and freedom as the problem of divorce. While Christianity has the numbers in the US, the culture is anti-Christian. No one who takes the resurrection seriously would alienate congregations over political views, take no interest in social and environmental concerns, and hold members through guilt. You just have to watch some movies, listen to some music that is highly accessible and popular to point that out.

grant1r Says:

Feb 8, 2012 - There are lots of voices. Schaeffer is giving a heads up to Christians and where their affiliation really lies beyond all of the table manners and social views. Most Christians can't even explain how Jesus saved them and why it matters. How can they extract solid meaning if they barely touch the surface? I don't know why the words evangelical and republican have become so interchangeable. Timothy Keller is very balanced. Christianity is merely a relic in American culture.

grant1r Says:

Feb 9, 2012 - It's not branding, its understanding the cost of believing in the resurrection as true, and not just as some distant heavenly handout with no existential meaning. I am a Fundamentalist, and I worry about my life all the time. Scripture says to "work out your faith with fear and trembling". Definitely not living in a false sense of security, but a sense of responsibility. We'd argue that true happiness is re-integration with God, everything else is false hope.

VictorLepanto Says:

May 8, 2012 - What would he say to his troubled & obnoxious son if he could speak to him today?

billybagbom Says:

May 13, 2012 - I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and I could hardly agree with you more.

billybagbom Says:

May 13, 2012 - I think Francis Schaeffer was a generalist and a prophet. He paints with broad strokes. (Ever read the Old Testament prophets?) He may not be sufficiently "nuanced" for the media elite. I disagree with him profoundly about certain aspects of his analysis. But he is one of my mentors, if not spiritual or intellectual fathers. His acute analysis of our current cultural malaise is still relevant.

VictorLepanto Says:

May 14, 2012 - Would I be correct in assuming your part of Orthodox Church in America movement of which Schaeffer made so much noise about joining? As if Orthos don't care about abortion or traditional marriage. I really wonder what Schaeffer doing. Is it all just about money to him? Is he picking the bones of his dead father merely to make money selling the lurid fantasies of modernist secularist back to them as if they were honest accounts of his father?

billybagbom Says:

May 14, 2012 - I couldn't tell you what the younger Schaeffer's motives are in so defaming his father and besmirching his legacy. That would be a matter which is beyond my pay grade, to say the least. But, yes, I am a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church, as is Frank. I assure that the Orthodox Church is solidly pro-life and stands in the tradition of the ancient Christianity regarding marital morality, although there are individual members who hold deviant views.

VictorLepanto Says:

May 15, 2012 - Most people in the Eastern Orthodox Church in America were once in some kind of Evangelical tradition. Would you mind my curiousity about where you came from? I understand fully & sympathize w/ those who've started this movement. After I was finishing the Pentacostal phase of my faith, I thought about joining an Ortho. group. That was before this movement got started. I eventually returned to Cath. Church I was baptised into.

billybagbom Says:

May 16, 2012 - I was born and reared Roman Catholic (though not strictly); became a hippie-hedonist-agnostic-pagan-atheist child of the age; converted to Protestantism of the Restorationist stripe; discovered the hisorical church at Christian university in my forties, reconsidered Roman Catholicism, but went toward the East. Am now reconsidering that.

VictorLepanto Says:

May 16, 2012 - "Restorationists?" Isn't that Rushdoony types? If that is what you mean, I find this fascinating b/c I've never encountered an actual Restorationist. I've read others take on them. What attracted you to the restorationist?I fully understand where you're coming from. I travelled a similar path. I'd have gone Ortho. if I'd have had any oportunity to do so. For many reasons, not the least being the matter of eating crow going back to Rome.You know what course I'd urge on you. God bless you.

billybagbom Says:

May 16, 2012 - Sorry. Should have been clearer. Not a theonomist of the Rushdoony sort; a member of the Campbell-Stone "Restoration" movement to "restore" the New Testament church, which they believed had been all but lost to human history. Not as radical as the Mormons -- still Trinitarian, from Presbyterian/Baptist roots, but with Anabaptist leanings-- but still believing that the True Church was not to be identified with any denomination -- except theirs. Google Church of Christ (not Latter Day Saints).

VictorLepanto Says:

May 16, 2012 - Well, I wasn't sure. So many have tried to "restore" the Church that Christ Himself established in the 1st place. Guess He didn't do good enough of a job. I am familiar w/ the Church of Christ types.

kant1066 Says:

May 16, 2012 - You sound like a confused little monkey.