Lt. Dan Choi Kicked Out of the Army

DeadlyChinchilla Says:

May 8, 2009 - Still missing the point. One time is all it takes, someone sees him out on town, someone suspects. They don't have to "ask." All it takes is one guy with a grudge against the soldier, and he's publically outed. I've seen this multiple times. I've also seen multiple straight men pretend to be gay (even married ones) to get out of their military contract, leaving their units high and dry before deployments.The point is it shouldn't be an issue, and they shouldn't have to hide it at all.

cigar1972 Says:

May 8, 2009 - That would be a fine point if in fact someone had "outed" the Lt.. That,however isn't the case. Lt. Choi "outed" himself. In your scenario, the "guy with a grudge" would be the one kicked out.

DeadlyChinchilla Says:

May 8, 2009 - *Still* missing my point. Him being honest about his orientation is not "outing" himself. We're beyond the days of the closet being the norm, if you hadn't noticed.I also didn't say Choi was taken out by a guy with a grudge. I said it was common. Yet again you take my comment out of context in the pursuit of making your opinion a valid point.He shouldn't have to lie and hide for a discriminatory policy specific to certain sexual groups. It really is just that simple.

cigar1972 Says:

May 9, 2009 - I hope that when you say "We're beyond the days of the closet being the norm", that you don't assume you speak for everyone else. No one asked him to "lie" or "hide". If he is seen off base with a guy, no one is going to investigate his sexuality. You seem to just ignore the "don't ask" part of the policy. "Don't ask" means that it is nobody's business what he does or who he does it with. Lt. Choi went out of his way to make it their business, thereby violating "Don't tell".

cigar1972 Says:

May 9, 2009 - Goodnight Chilla...this was fun. We did nothing to change one another's opinion but at least we had some spirited debate without it degrading into ugliness.I respect your views. Maybe we will continue in the future, but for now I need sleep.

DeadlyChinchilla Says:

May 9, 2009 - And you seem to ignore the reality of the policy and its repercussions. It is not only wasting HUGE amounts of training (do you know how much a West Point Grad takes to train/school?), it is being used as a weapon against military members who have done nothing more than actually act on their normal romantic desires. The DADT is in conjunction, not separate. If they're seen with someone, they've "outed" themselves. Going on a date can end their career. This in turn breeds dangerous dating.

dasaf Says:

May 10, 2009 - Daniel is my uncle and all I can say is that im proud for him for standing up for himself and against the army for the stupid DADT proposal.

sobx10 Says:

May 10, 2009 - i dont think gay people go around tieing straight people to the back of their trucks, dragging them through the desert, then ya know, tieing them to a fence to die ~Matthew Shepard

cryan71 Says:

May 12, 2009 - You know nothing about gay people and your overgeneralizing a segment of the population proves what a bigot you really are.

cryan71 Says:

May 12, 2009 - No, I call a bigot when they act like a bigot.Keep trying.

cryan71 Says:

May 13, 2009 - And who is calling names now?Hypocrite.

rrsrichard Says:

May 14, 2009 - easternspells, I don't believe straightophobic is in the dictionary however, I get the gist of what you're saying.  In my humble opinion, I believe the percentage of straights hating gays are a million times higher than the reverse. If any gay person has an irrational fear and hatred of straights, it's most likely because the Fundamentalist Christians, if they could, would get those ovens cooking again. I'm a gay man with a partner and we don't have one gay person in our circle of friends.

rrsrichard Says:

May 14, 2009 - Understood. Personally I too have had my full of the hate that spews from the so called Christians. I don't hate them, but I don't agree with their beliefs. I'm a proud Atheist, but I don't go around pounding my chest screaming all Christian's are bad because they believe in the Bible. Some of my friends are Christian and they can't believe we are still talking about gay/straight. They teach their kids, love is love even gay love. They believe their God loves us all. Hallelujah, Amen.

sadieko Says:

May 16, 2009 - Heh. No offense, but it only gets to count as "reverse homophobia" when gays start enacting laws that get straight people kicked out off the military because of their sexual orientation, or prohibit people from getting married because of their gender.The word "opinion" gets used as a shield a lot. It's "my opinion", that means it doesn't matter if it wrong, misleading, or hurts someone else; if you call me on it, you're the intolerant one for not respecting my views.

sadieko Says:

May 16, 2009 - Also, certain groups disagreeing with whether or not gays should be allowed to do certain things ("disagreeing" is such an awesome word for it, you know), hurts homosexuals a hell of a lot more than those same groups getting called bigoted or homophobic.

saintfletcher Says:

Jun 30, 2009 - The Australian military does not discriminate and allowed gays to join over 15 years ago. One of the reasons was for security reasons. If you have a secret in the military, you are endangering the security of your unit by being vulnerable to blackmail. Choi is ethically and morally correct. He did not indulge in homosexual activity, he followed his training to be honest, and he served his country well. The shame is the US military rules, written by the US Government.

saintfletcher Says:

Jun 30, 2009 - The Australian military abolished discrimination of gays in the military in the military as a matter of affirming national security. There should be no secrets from the military which could undermine its security making it vulnerable. If a soldier is vulnerable by a secret, then this disables the whole unit, as the soldier is susceptible to blackmail. Gay soldiers do a great job, always have since Alexander the Great.

Savior20061 Says:

Oct 17, 2009 - "The word "opinion" gets used as a shield a lot. It's "my opinion", that means it doesn't matter if it wrong, misleading, or hurts someone else; if you call me on it, you're the intolerant one for not respecting my views." Agreed.

RodTalon0000 Says:

Nov 26, 2009 - my friend told me this isnt still real, i guess it is. This is ridiculous

andyflamer Says:

Oct 20, 2010 - Your sexual orientation is completely irrelevant to the militia. You pass the training, it means you're fit for combat. That is all that matters.

woofy543 Says:

Oct 30, 2010 - D: this is why I hate the army(including my cousin) they don't let gays in, what's wrong with them? Would I be let in? I'm bisexual? I like girls along with guys. It matters if your fit to fight! (I'd never join the army anyway.)

whatthefuck954 Says:

Dec 23, 2010 - this is all fucked up, i totally disagree with homosexuals being discharged. i'm in the service as well, i'm not homosexual but, they're americans too, what the fuck are YOU PUSSIES afraid of!?!, this contradicts what this country is about, FREEDOM.. anyone who disagrees is simply ignorant. you got the balls to talk shit about them, but no balls to fight next to them, you disgust me, even you chain of command. this is rediculous

whatthefuck954 Says:

Dec 23, 2010 - i agree with permaglo, 110%

whatthefuck954 Says:

Dec 23, 2010 - fought for his country, then gets kicked out because of his sexuality, Hmmmmm????